• Re: FidoNet; Ken Kaplan - and the future

    From Mickey@21:1/159 to Atreyu on Monday, December 09, 2024 21:07:57
    Not to get off on a rant but I'm worried that one day, ISP's will restrict Telnet entirely. Eventually no ISP will give any understanding to some weirdo running a "bulletin board system" on port 23. It will be lumped into that security-risk catagory along with Cisco routers, IP cameras, IOT etc.

    I agree, especially in Canada. I believe it to be inevitable.

    Free Speech for Everyone?

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  • From Atreyu@21:1/176 to Mickey on Monday, December 09, 2024 22:15:51
    On 09 Dec 24 21:07:57, Mickey said the following to Atreyu:

    Not to get off on a rant but I'm worried that one day, ISP's will restrict Telnet entirely. Eventually no ISP will give any understanding to some weird running a "bulletin board system" on port 23. It will be lumped into that security-risk catagory along with Cisco routers, IP cameras, IOT etc.

    I agree, especially in Canada. I believe it to be inevitable.

    Free Speech for Everyone?

    Only if you carry the party-line. Thats what scary my friend.

    Atreyu

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  • From Utopian Galt@21:4/108 to Mickey on Wednesday, December 11, 2024 20:39:49
    BY: Mickey (21:1/159)

    |11M|09> |10Not to get off on a rant but I'm worried that one day, ISP's will|07
    |11M|09> |10restrict|07
    |11M|09> |10Telnet entirely. Eventually no ISP will give any understanding to some|07
    |11M|09> |10weirdo|07
    |11M|09> |10running a "bulletin board system" on port 23. It will be lumped into|07
    |11M|09> |10that|07
    I run on a port that is not 23 because I get tired of script kiddles spamming my bbs.


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  • From paul@21:3/195 to Utopian Galt on Thursday, December 12, 2024 11:06:18
    I run on a port that is not 23 because I get tired of script kiddles spamming my bbs.

    Me as well. I think its best to use an non standard port, anyway. Just to keep the children at bay :)

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  • From Mickey@21:1/159 to paul on Thursday, December 12, 2024 18:33:35
    On 12 Dec 2024, paul exclaimed the following...

    I run on a port that is not 23 because I get tired of script kiddles spamming my bbs.

    Me as well. I think its best to use an non standard port, anyway. Just
    to keep the children at bay :)

    It doesn't matter. The script kiddies, as you call them, are just other servers pinging for open ports. They'll find you no matter which port you move it to.

    Mick Manning
    @ Mick's Place
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    https://centralontarioremote.net

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  • From paul@21:3/195 to Mickey on Thursday, December 12, 2024 20:24:55
    It doesn't matter. The script kiddies, as you call them, are just other servers pinging for open ports. They'll find you no matter which port
    you move it to.


    Sadly,that's a very true point.

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  • From apam@21:3/197 to Mickey on Friday, December 13, 2024 12:48:52
    It doesn't matter. The script kiddies, as you call them, are just other servers pinging for open ports. They'll find you no matter which port
    you move it to.

    Except they're not looking for BBSes, most of those port scanners are
    looking for vulnerable services. It takes time to scan 65355 ports, so
    it's much quicker to only scan the ones you know the vulnerable services
    you are looking for are running on.

    Yes, I still get port scans on port 2323, I get a LOT less than on port
    23.

    I got almost none when using port 11892.

    Andrew

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  • From Utopian Galt@21:4/108 to Paul on Thursday, December 12, 2024 19:57:36
    BY: paul (21:3/195)

    |11p|09> |10Me as well. I think its best to use an non standard port, anyway. Just|07
    |11p|09> |10to keep the children at bay :)|07
    Does a fidonet mailer mode thingie reduce the spamming?


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  • From slacker@21:3/193 to apam on Friday, December 13, 2024 05:40:57


    Except they're not looking for BBSe
    s, most of those port scanners are
    looking for vulnerable services. It
    takes time to scan 65355 ports, so
    it's much quicker to only scan the
    ones you know the vulnerable servic
    es
    you are looking for are running on.

    Yes, I still get port scans on port
    2323, I get a LOT less than on por
    t
    23.

    I got almost none when using port 1
    1892.

    Andrew

    Yep, same here. My website on 80 and 443 get HAMMERED by bots from around the world. My BBS gets some here and there but much much less than standard port #s.

    It also helps having a 'required keypress' to not initiate an auto disconnect. I've seen ESC*2 on some boards, mine is ENTER. Most bots that hit my board get booted by that alone.

    That said, I'm sure the more your BBS host & port are out there on the internet and the more popular it becomes, the more bots that will find it and start trying stuff.


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  • From apam@21:3/197 to slacker on Friday, December 13, 2024 16:02:06
    That said, I'm sure the more your BBS host & port are out there on the internet and the more popular it becomes, the more bots that will find
    it and start trying stuff.

    Maybe, but I doubt in that case they would be bots - although I suppose
    with AI it might be a thing.. bots are really just looking for easy
    targets with known exploits. A BBS, while quiet possibly exploitable
    would require a bit of human interaction and fiddling to find the
    exploits.

    For things like smart TVs and routers that have exploits, they can scan
    them down drop their payload and move on through the address space. A BBS because of it's obscurity, not so much.

    Oh, and I am in no way saying BBSes are secure because of that obscurity,
    but rather less of a target to the kind of blanket searching bots. It
    comes down to time I guess, while you could be fiddling around with a BBS looking to break it, you could have already gained several unpactched
    routers..

    If your BBS does get quiet popular, then sure people might try to hack
    in, but that's a different senario i think

    Andrew

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  • From Dumas Walker@21:1/175 to APAM on Friday, December 13, 2024 10:52:00
    Except they're not looking for BBSes, most of those port scanners are
    looking for vulnerable services. It takes time to scan 65355 ports, so
    it's much quicker to only scan the ones you know the vulnerable services
    you are looking for are running on.

    Yes, and most of the scripts are looking for default user names that are
    common with IoT devices... "enable," "admin," etc. Apparently these
    default users are also passwordless if the user has not reconfigured them.


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  • From Digital Man@21:1/183 to apam on Friday, December 13, 2024 18:41:18
    Re: Re: FidoNet; Ken Kaplan - and t
    By: apam to Mickey on Fri Dec 13 2024 12:48 pm

    Yes, I still get port scans on port 2323, I get a LOT less than on port
    23.

    I got almost none when using port 11892.

    You'll get a lot fewer *users* too. <shrug>
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  • From apam@21:3/197 to Digital Man on Saturday, December 14, 2024 14:26:52
    You'll get a lot fewer *users* too. <shrug>

    Why? If people are savvy enough to connect to a BBS using telnet, surely
    they can change the port number in their client?

    I suppose it might be hard to remember the port between reading it and
    entering it into the terminal (sometimes my short term memory doesn't
    work to well), but that's not much different from remembering the
    hostname..

    Andrew

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  • From Digital Man@21:1/183 to apam on Friday, December 13, 2024 20:48:41
    Re: Re: FidoNet; Ken Kaplan - and t
    By: apam to Digital Man on Sat Dec 14 2024 02:26 pm

    You'll get a lot fewer *users* too. <shrug>

    Why? If people are savvy enough to connect to a BBS using telnet, surely they can change the port number in their client?

    It's another thing to know about and do correctly, another barrier to entry. Some users are savvy/capable, can figure things out on their own, many are not. That's my experience anyway.
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  • From Atreyu@21:1/176 to Apam on Saturday, December 14, 2024 00:02:26
    On 14 Dec 24 14:26:52, Apam said the following to Digital Man:

    You'll get a lot fewer *users* too. <shrug>

    Why? If people are savvy enough to connect to a BBS using telnet, surely they can change the port number in their client?

    I've had my board on port 23 for 25+ years with no problems. On an XP box.

    Atreyu

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  • From apam@21:3/197 to Digital Man on Saturday, December 14, 2024 15:23:38
    It's another thing to know about and do correctly, another barrier to
    entry. Some users are savvy/capable, can figure things out on their
    own, many are not. That's my experience anyway.

    Fair enough.

    Andrew

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  • From apam@21:3/197 to Atreyu on Saturday, December 14, 2024 15:30:06
    I've had my board on port 23 for 25+ years with no problems. On an XP
    box.

    I think it more becomes a problem when you're running on something like a commodore 64 or something. I don't know, I don't have a problem either.

    Andrew
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  • From phigan@21:3/177 to apam on Saturday, December 14, 2024 06:36:16
    while you could be fiddling around with a bbs

    Yeah, the reason to look for those exploits is to put in their own bot program to add it to a botnet. The BBS isn't going to have a way to get joined to that unless you can get it to give you access to the operating system... It's probably possible, but I haven't seen that happen with a modern BBS yet.. only on like CP/M or something.
    Cheers.

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  • From Dumas Walker@21:1/175 to APAM on Saturday, December 14, 2024 09:22:00
    I think it more becomes a problem when you're running on something like a commodore 64 or something. I don't know, I don't have a problem either.

    Or running more than one BBS.


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  • From Alonzo@21:1/130 to Digital Man on Sunday, December 15, 2024 20:03:44
    Oh, that didn't occur to me. I'm kind of used to "SBBS" sometimes (very rarely now) referring to SuperBBS, but I'd never seen Searchlight
    referred to as "SBBS". If that's the case, my bad. :-)

    Yeah, I ran a Searchlight board for several years and it was always referred to as SBBS. In fact I think the default file directory for the BBS files was named SBBS.

    ... What does it mean to pre-board? Do you get on before you get on?

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  • From Alonzo@21:1/130 to Mickey on Sunday, December 15, 2024 20:07:34

    It doesn't matter. The script kiddies, as you call them, are just other servers pinging for open ports. They'll find you no matter which port
    you move it to.

    Amen to that. They are just pinging for open ports, so it doesn't
    really matter which port you use.

    ... Live every day as though it were your last. One day, you'll be right

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  • From Alonzo@21:1/130 to slacker on Sunday, December 15, 2024 20:12:58

    It also helps having a 'required keypress' to not initiate an auto disconnect. I've seen ESC*2 on some boards, mine is ENTER. Most bots
    that hit my board get booted by that alone.

    On my board, you have to press 1 before logging in. Amazingly, that stops a lot of the bots. Before I set it up this way, I had tons of people hitting the login screen and throwing everything but the kitchen sink at it, trying
    to get in.

    What gets me is, it's a totally open, free BBS, and I don't even
    ask for much as far as starting an account. Just a name (any name)
    will do, and a password.

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  • From Digital Man@21:1/183 to Alonzo on Sunday, December 15, 2024 17:29:58
    Re: Re: FidoNet; Ken Kaplan - and t
    By: Alonzo to Digital Man on Sun Dec 15 2024 08:03 pm

    Oh, that didn't occur to me. I'm kind of used to "SBBS" sometimes (very rarely now) referring to SuperBBS, but I'd never seen Searchlight referred to as "SBBS". If that's the case, my bad. :-)

    Yeah, I ran a Searchlight board for several years and it was always referred to as SBBS. In fact I think the default file directory for the BBS files was named SBBS.

    Oh, interesting. I'd heard/seen SLBBS in reference to Searchlight, but not SBBS. e.g. https://slbbs.org/
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  • From Digital Man@21:1/183 to Alonzo on Sunday, December 15, 2024 18:57:51
    Re: Re: FidoNet; Ken Kaplan - and t
    By: Digital Man to Alonzo on Sun Dec 15 2024 05:29 pm

    Re: Re: FidoNet; Ken Kaplan - and t
    By: Alonzo to Digital Man on Sun Dec 15 2024 08:03 pm

    Oh, that didn't occur to me. I'm kind of used to "SBBS" sometimes (very rarely now) referring to SuperBBS, but I'd never seen Searchlight referred to as "SBBS". If that's the case, my bad. :-)

    Yeah, I ran a Searchlight board for several years and it was always referred to as SBBS. In fact I think the default file directory for the BBS files was named SBBS.

    Oh, interesting. I'd heard/seen SLBBS in reference to Searchlight, but not SBBS. e.g. https://slbbs.org/

    Curious, I looked a little bit more and the Wikipedia page on BBS software says "SLBBS" is the abbreviation of Searchlight and the executable and documentation of Searchlight BBS agree with that:
    207110 Defl:N 70364 66% 08-01-1988 03:09 5cf79b0f SLBBS.DOC
    20496 Defl:N 11359 45% 08-26-1989 18:54 b215dcb9 SLBBS.EXE

    I guess I could install the old SLBBS to look further...
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Alonzo on Monday, December 16, 2024 11:16:55
    Alonzo wrote to Digital Man <=-

    Yeah, I ran a Searchlight board for several years and it was always referred to as SBBS. In fact I think the default file directory for the BBS files was named SBBS.

    I co-sysoped Just Say Yes in 1991. The root directory was c:\slight.
    Don't know if that was custom or not.



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  • From Nick Mackechnie@21:1/142 to Alonzo on Tuesday, December 17, 2024 09:45:00
    Yeah, I ran a Searchlight board for several years and it was always
    referred to as SBBS. In fact I think the default file directory for the BBS
    files was named SBBS.

    Hey hey, the default directory structure for SL is SLBBS, I'm one of the few SLBBS's running today, been online since 1988 infact :-)

    Nick

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  • From klunk@21:1/124 to paulie420 on Tuesday, December 31, 2024 00:14:22
    Anyone remember the story of the breakdown and how it became 'open
    source' or at least used by other FTNs???

    FTS-0001 was always open source. It told you how the messages etc were to be assembled for transport.

    ... Old computers make great boat anchors

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  • From Alonzo@21:1/130 to Digital Man on Saturday, January 04, 2025 20:21:52
    Oh, that didn't occur to me. I'm kind of used to "SBBS" sometimes rarely now) referring to SuperBBS, but I'd never seen Searchlight referred to as "SBBS". If that's the case, my bad. :-)

    You know what, guys? I may be wrong. It was a long time ago and
    my brain doesn't work as well as it used to. Maybe Searchlight
    BBS was know as SLBBS and not SBBS. I am sorry if I confused anyone.

    ... Don't sweat the petty things and don't pet the sweaty things

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  • From Alonzo@21:1/130 to Nick Mackechnie on Saturday, January 04, 2025 20:24:16
    Hey hey, the default directory structure for SL is SLBBS, I'm one of the few SLBBS's running today, been online since 1988 infact :-)

    Yes, you are right. Sorry, my brain is a bit fuzzy and it has
    been a LONG time since I ran my Searchlight board.

    What is the name of your board? Most likely, I used to call
    it back in the day. Mine was called The Lost City.

    ... Everyone is entitled to my opinion!

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  • From Digital Man@21:1/183 to Alonzo on Saturday, January 04, 2025 18:35:19
    Re: Re: FidoNet; Ken Kaplan - and t
    By: Alonzo to Digital Man on Sat Jan 04 2025 08:21 pm

    Oh, that didn't occur to me. I'm kind of used to "SBBS" sometimes rarely now) referring to SuperBBS, but I'd never seen Searchlight referred to as "SBBS". If that's the case, my bad. :-)

    You know what, guys? I may be wrong. It was a long time ago and
    my brain doesn't work as well as it used to. Maybe Searchlight
    BBS was know as SLBBS and not SBBS. I am sorry if I confused anyone.

    No problem. "SBBS" being the preferred shorthand for "Synchronet BBS" that I chose over 30 years ago, it's dear to my heart. :-)
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  • From Nick Mackechnie@21:1/142 to Alonzo on Sunday, January 05, 2025 17:00:00
    What is the name of your board? Most likely, I used to call
    it back in the day. Mine was called The Lost City.

    Hiya Alonzo,

    It's called The Trashcan BBS, located in Christchurch, New Zealand.

    Nick.

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  • From Exodus@21:1/144 to Nick Mackechnie on Sunday, January 05, 2025 00:10:17
    Hiya Alonzo,

    It's called The Trashcan BBS, located in Christchurch, New Zealand.

    Nick.

    I shot you a message on your board about 2 months ago and never got a reply. I was wondering if I could get a rip of Night Owl 26 or a full zip of the cd directories.

    It's the only one I am missing from Night Owl 4 thru 27.

    Thanks!

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  • From Alonzo@21:1/130 to Nick Mackechnie on Thursday, January 09, 2025 01:26:05

    What is the name of your board? Most likely, I used to call
    It's called The Trashcan BBS, located in Christchurch, New Zealand.

    ok, thanks. I don't think I ever called that one. Back in the old days
    it would cost a lot of money to call NZ. Thankfully, we
    don't have to worry about that anymore.

    ... You can learn many things from children... like how much patience you have

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